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Re: Jason, how is the USAPL going to clean up
Posted By: Jason Burnell In Response To: Re: Jason, how is the USAPL going to clean up *LINK* (Ryan Harth)
Date: Tuesday, 29 November 2005, at 6:50 a.m.
"Ok so I am gonna give the USAPL a shot. I have lifted in the APF and WABDL so far with great competitions. I have ever had a full set of double ply gear as it is REALLY expensive, and I just never could understand why you need all the layers to make the lift. I totally understand one ply, but beyond that I dont get it."
There isn't much of a difference conceptually between single ply and multi-ply. Each is worn to add lbs to the total. The big difference between "us and them" in that regard is a consideration of how much is too much. While there is some truth to single ply offering some protection and many have used loose gear to train through and around injuries, that isn't the way it's getting ised for the most part on contest day. Suits and shirts that are so tight they have to be cut off or hands going numb etc aren't about protection, they are about adding lbss. It is what it is.
"Anyhow I am a founding member of Illini Powerlifting the University of Illinois PL team. e are hoping to make a VERY strong showing at the IL state meet in April and qualify a bunch of lifters for collegiate nationals."
Cool, you might want to talk to Travis Werner or Steve Mann, each is a lifter who organized a college team, They might give you some tips on getting your team ready.
"In terms of perception I have heard allot of bad things about the USAPL. I have heard there are allot of politics and if you are unknown good luck getting a lift passed."
That's a load of crap. The key isn't being unknown - everyone is unknown at some point. I won my first meet and I was unknown to everyone but my trainig parters. The key is actually lifting within the guidelines of the rules. In that regard I was lucky. My partners had lifted in USPF/ADFPA and grilled me for weeks on not only the technical aspects of lifting according to the rules but also training me to obey the commands.
I've lifted in a number of APF meets and also USAPL meets and also put on a few USAPL meets. The biggest challenges I see for lifters coming from an APF background to a USAPL meet are these:
1) Squatting high - in many APF meets getting roughly to parallel is deep. In a USAPL meet you will have to get the top of the thigh at the hip below the top of the thigh at the knee. Have your lifters get under a bar with 135 or 225 and actually check that position - it will be wel below what many consider parallel.
If you have been training in single ply gear you probably won't have much of a problem but from what I've seen people that train/compete in multi-ply may have more of an initial problem because getting down without the extra support in the hole leaves them weaker there. The natural tendency is to cut it or to lean over. Neither of which is good.
2) Knees not locked - I've seen that one also. Lifters used to the monolift don't always lock the knees and start/finish with knees bent slightly.
3) The bench commands are different. In USAPL there will be a Start command and a Rack command but no press command.
In USAPL the lifter must receive the bar and arms length and hold it until the Start command is given. For lifters used to taking it straight down this can cause a problem. Again, not politics but preparation.
There is no press command, however, you can have a coach call a press for you (off the platform). I've gotten confused on this one when going from USAPL to APF and back.
"Now as I train for USAPL style rules I have adjusted my bench, and my squat accoridngly. I flatened out my feet, and am trying to bring the bar higher on the chest. And now sink the squats deep as all get out."
Sounds like you are getting ready already. There really isn't a need to go ass to the grass but if you video your squats or have a partner you trust call you, you should be ok. Just make sure your partner isn't telling you "Bro, you're burying them" if you're not.
"I have listened to what everyone else has had to say about the fed, but never expierienced it myself. I think the idea is great. It provide the closest thing to drug free (there are always those who beat the tests), is single ply, and has very strict judging."
Exactly.
"I really like the people in the APF and WABDL. They are very friendly and do put on good fun meets. Sometimes the judging is lax, but most meets I have been to in IL were very well judged. Eric Stone puts on a great meet and they are often judged by him and Bill Carp who are very strict."
That has pretty much been my experience as well in the APF meets I've been to. Fun meets, friendly people for the most part and the judging can be variable.
"Anyhow my rant is this, if the perception and reality are two different things the forums are a great way to reach out to lifters. I live on the forums and this is the first I have heard of a USAPL site."
Here is the URL for the National Site:
http://www.usapowerlifting.comand here is the info for the Illinios State Chair:
ILLINIOS
Mark & Suzanne Motsinger
S&M Fitness
201 North Gum St.
Harrisburg, IL 62946
P: 618-252-0881
C: 618-926-1591"I think the USAPL and WABDL could have a very good relationship if they were willing to work together to promote the sport."
I don't see that happening, at least in the short term, simply because they are too different. There is no squat in WABDL and the gear/rules of performance are so different for the bench. The drug testing is also somewhat different - in that a number of WABDL lifters, at least in the past, have been on the USAPL suspended list. There are some obstacles that would have to be overcome. Gus certainly does have a successful model though as WABDL is putting on some very large meets. We could learn some things from him.
Train hard.
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